Bruce: So Michael, you say you are the Bruce Lee of Pilates?
Michael: Yes, Bruce.
Bruce: What do you mean by that?
Michael: I mean that I fundamentally changed Pilates the way you changed martial arts.
Bruce: And how do you think I fundamentally changed martial arts?
Michael: Before you the martial arts world held that practicing kata (ritualized sequential patterns) was the way to victory in kumite (actual combat).
You showed that those practiced sequences (kata) were ruts, that you could exploit through spontaneous and non-scripted movement. That was the biggest way you rocked the martial arts world. You also taught Gai-Jin, foreigners, your way. Free of the establishment, transcending the establishment, because your way could not fit into the establishment, because it was beyond the establishment. Which made you a threat to the establishment, because they had no way to control you, so they had to ignore you. Except for people like Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, and Chuck Norris, the main stream had to ignore you. (or worse)
Bruce: Well Michael, you seem to think you know a lot about me.
Michael: Doesn't everyone? You and Joe are great companions. You and I just haven't had much chance to talk.
What is your impression of your career, and what the martial arts world has become since you died?
Bruce: Well, I really have never felt like I died, but since my physicality passed away it hasn't been as much fun fighting. Which takes me to our sparring about you being the Bruce Lee of Pilates, what the deal with that?
Michael: Before me, Pilates was a tradition dominated by an aristocracy, an aristocracy rooted in who knew who, not only for sustaining artificial prestige, but in the struggle to have your prestige matter more than the others and be a necessary part of the income stream , especially the invading hoards of newcomers that are making it whatever they want, cutting out the income stream.
Bruce: You know?! That has been the weirdest thing since out of body, all the stuff that has happened in the martial arts world since. I'm a cult figure! Can you believe it? And yet the other side of the kind is all the trash that is out there, still!
Michael: Tell me about it, I thought my contribution to the Pilates raise the art of the Pilates world, but it hasn't. People just go on doing what they want for personal reasons; that have little or nothing to do with the purity of their art-- off of which they are earning a living. I found I went through a period of frustration in Pilates, just like in my Hermit's Journal, where I had to reach the point where recognition no longer mattered. I realized in my journal and in my Pilates I had to sing the song from the branch that I'm on, and be happy with that.
Bruce: Just what is this contribution you think you have made to Pilates?
Michael: In a word, "fluorescence."
Bruce: Fluorescence.
Michael: Fluorescence. Fluorescence is the word I use to the state of being in the moment with a complete coordination of body, mind and spirit. Something I attach to what you say when you say that an honest movement is tough to come by.
Bruce: I did say that didn't I? In that interview, where I was struggling so hard to be modest.
Michael: That's where I picked it up from.
Bruce: I could go on a lot about my feelings for that interview, but I want to stay on track. About you and your contribution to Pilates. Your contribution is fluorescence?
Michael: No, my contribution is being the catalyst from viewing Pilates as a tradition to viewing it as an idea.
Bruce: And the idea is?
Michael: Fluorescence. Being in that moment, in an honest movement.
Bruce: I'm listening, I want to contemplate. I have to leave now' i enjoyed talking to you.
Michael: As I you, sorry to see you go. Thanks for not being mad.
Bruce: Hey, we only recognize an honest movement after it happens.